It's really complex. When you think about the reasons why children enter foster care or kinship care, it's 99% in relation to complex relational trauma. And so the idea of being able to unpack for children what's happened in a parental relationship that's caused them to be unsafe enough for a court to remove them and place them into the out-of-home care system; that's really complex for adults to talk about, let alone with children. Particularly when you think about babies entering care, if they're in long-term placements, for example, they can begin to see foster carers as a parent, really, and so it becomes almost more tricky to begin to explain what's happened in relation to a parental care relationship and how they've come to be in care.